Amd Ryzen 7 5800x Vs 10700k

Steve

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• #2

Good assay, especially on the economic science behind the 5800x'due south rather disappointing price point. In a perfect globe, it would head off some of the anti-corporate conspiracy theories the comment section will invariably run into.

• #four

The fries after all they are just a piece of glass on which they have printed a careful engineered but abstract design.

They print on silicon the transistors with uv lite the same way the letters are printed on paper with ink.

If they have constitute the engineering science (the "printers") which is needed why they can't but print near infinite number of cpus to supply the demand? At that place is no whatever guarantee that the demand it volition last for ever...
They don't need extra rare materials for other electronic components(ex capacitors) like the gpu cards for example neither big amount of energy. Just sand.

Last edited: Nov 7, 2020

Irata

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• #5

Great review and impressive functioning merely I accept to concord with the conclusion. Information technology's non the first time I read that AMD doesn't want to sell adept CCD at the moment in a CPU that isn't summit of the line or server.

Even so, it will exist a CPU to picket going forward if / when prices come downwards.

• #vi

This one needs a slight price reduction in order to compete with its other siblings and 10700k I judge

• #7

I would like to point out that 3700X besides required a total chiplet and it came with a half decent and skilful looking cooler at just £329, I think AMD could hands sell the 5800X for £379. I hateful I will virtually likely nonetheless upgrade to it from a 2700X but information technology should exist a little cheaper

• #8

Great review and impressive performance but I take to agree with the conclusion. Information technology's not the first time I read that AMD doesn't want to sell good CCD at the moment in a CPU that isn't superlative of the line or server.

Still, it volition be a CPU to sentinel going forward if / when prices come down.

This sums it up pretty nicely. Priced around $350-$375 it would be a real competitor.

• #9

5800x'southward $449 is a teaser for 5900x.
Amd wants all perfect 8 cadre chiplets to be used by more expensive 5950x.
Likewise amd wants to maximize profit equally the stuffs are sold out anyway.
Meanwhile, production cost should be like to 3800xt as both using same process and.
There might be some modest increment in transistor count for the L3 multiplexer

• #10

The chips after all they are just a piece of glass on which they have printed a careful engineered but abstract design.

They print on silicon the transistors with uv light the same manner the letters are printed on paper with ink.

If they have establish the technology (the "printers") which is needed why they can't only print virtually infinite number of cpus to supply the need? There is no whatsoever guarantee that the need it will last for e'er...
They don't need actress rare materials for other electronic components(ex capacitors) like the gpu cards for instance neither big amount of energy. Just sand.

If it'southward established applied science, why Intel can't practice 7nm?
Fabs needs to find right proportion of uv lite, etching chemicals, patterning and etc. for more than 50 cycles to produce 7nm fries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication#List_of_steps

• #11

Oh boy....

Anyone else notice the 5600X in the price/functioning charts at the end of the commodity?

Has me salivating over here...Steve saving the all-time for last it seems

• #12

why they can't merely print near infinite number of cpus to supply the demand? Information technology'due south ...just sand.

Proverb a cpu is "just sand" is akin to maxim that the Hope Diamond is "just coal". Do you accept any thought how torturously complex the procedure of making one of these fries is? The EUV light is generated by laser vaporization of can droplets to a plasma; the machines in question cost billions and can only process a little more than a hundred wafers an hour; the wafers must go through multiple printing layers, and then be painstakingly sawn apart, and the chips exhaustively tested, with a substantial number of them tossed out as defective. Every sub-14nm fab in the world is already running at full chapters as it is. How can they merely "print more"?

• #13

Proverb a cpu is "just sand" is alike to saying that the Hope Diamond is "just coal". Do you lot accept any idea how torturously complex the process of making one of these chips is? The EUV low-cal is generated by laser vaporization of can droplets to a plasma; the machines in question price billions and tin only process a niggling more than a hundred wafers an hour; the wafers must go through multiple printing layers, then exist painstakingly sawn apart, and the chips exhaustively tested, with a substantial number of them tossed out every bit defective. Every sub-14nm fab in the world is already running at full capacity equally it is. How can they only "print more"?

The situation information technology's like people want buy windows 95 and ms can't print enough cds...

If the "print" machines price billions and they tin can't observe more of them that would exist because of patents not because in that location is a physical or energy bulwark. If there is just one and expensive "cd recorder" in the "city" and the procedure is slow nosotros tin can't focus on how complicate is to write a cd (which is) but why is at that place is only ane "cd recorder" available.

• #14

So, it looks like AMD kept one of the major chips from Intel alive with pricing the 5800x where information technology is.

Sell information technology for the same $370 as Intels 10700k and they volition sell well. Ot\r, for giggles sell it for $359 and Intel will never sell another chip lol.

• #15

The pricing of this chip makes it difficult to get enthusiastic about any performance gains, especially wen y'all consider that information technology'due south the but upgrade selection right now for those currently on AMD 8 core CPUs.

At least for this CPU, it's less than a 20% performance increase for more than than a xx% increase in toll.

• #16

The only weakness on Intel'south platform is the lack of PCIe four.0 support, but not everyone is planning to take reward of that right away. Buyers may be faced with a situation where those looking to spend ~$400 are better off saving a few bucks past going with Intel, or alternatively they will need to dig deeper and come with some other $100 to land the Ryzen nine 5900X.

You forgot the fact that Intel does not offer 4 extra PCIe lanes from CPU for NVMe drive. Before anyone even tries to argue that is not weakness, I remind that Intel should have this upshot resolved in Rocket Lake. Because/if Rocket lake has it, that also means current LGA1200 platforms have major weakness. Why information technology matters? Future consoles have very fast SSD interface so future PC games may well use fast SSD access that does not interfere with other things (=annihilation continued to chipset). AMD resolved this in 2017 already.

Irata

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• #17

Oh boy....

Anyone else notice the 5600X in the price/performance charts at the end of the commodity?

Has me salivating over here...Steve saving the best for last information technology seems

It actually cleaned up in Gamers Nexus review, and so I am looking forward to HUB'southward / Techspot'due south review. Also annotation the fps average vs the i7-10700k.

• #18

The situation it'southward like people want buy windows 95 and ms tin't impress enough cds... why is there is only i "cd recorder" available.

CDs technology and CD press machines had been around 13 years when Windows 95 was released. TSMC's N7+ process has been in production less than a year. If you want to await another 12 years for the "CD printing" analogy to get valid, I'm sure you'll find an adequate supply of Ryzen 5000s.

Ramping up cutting-edge EUV production takes fourth dimension. Information technology's non a conspiracy to screw you lot out of l33t tech. You'll notice that fries minted on v+ yr old litho nodes are abundantly available.

• #19

AMD got greedy also fast.
They wanted Zen 3 on 500 series boards only, and they skipped the 5700X.

I'm ownership the 5600X, but I merely might hold out for a auction or a price drib.

• #xx

Oh male child....

Anyone else notice the 5600X in the price/operation charts at the finish of the article?

Has me salivating over here...Steve saving the best for final it seems

Actually 5600x is the real rock star here, if it's merely about gaming. Because information technology comes in fifty-fifty cheaper then the 10600k when you factor in the platform cost (if you tin can find one for stock toll). Simply it goes toe to toe with 10700k and fifty-fifty is not far behind the previous gaming champion, the 10900k. Decent b450/550 boards should have no problem running a 5600x, without the need for beefy VRMs. Though, I would non feel comfy with the box cooler.

• #21

If Rocket Lake will have an edge, and Intel plays information technology aggressively with pricing, AMD volition stagger once more, at least for gaming. I know it`s a lot of "ifs", but possibly that`s why they try to fill up their pockets while they can.

• #22

In one case Rocket lake Due south is launched, AMD will be able to cut prices. Information technology is simply early adopters tax.

• #23

I actually don't retrieve that Lisa Su worked so hard merely to fumble the brawl at present honestly. I think they had to driblet zen iii this year because they promised information technology, and the line upwardly will aggrandize once they have more.

• #24

As much as I hoped for a smaller toll tag, it makes perfect business organisation sense for AMD: they would desire to keep the best silicons for the CPUs they can sell for the highest price (servers), or sell them at premium to go along the margins up. Such as life, I guess

Still, they offer the 5600x and the 5900x for reasonable prices, then all is not lost, and home users tin can buy decent CPUs at off-white prices. I merely promise that availability will amend, fast.

Last edited: Nov 9, 2020

• #25

I was thinking off upgrading my other PC - using my 3700x and putting a better flake in my 570x Grand/B
I volition withal have to buy a 550 1000/b etc ,

I'm going to hold off unless I get a sweet deal - I really desire to see what next years Zen four brings - Shirley a new process and new ideas will bring something that might accident these out of the water.
If you got a k/b set to go ( 450/470 ) - memory can be got quite inexpensive - so I think these Zen 3 are a real nice upgrade

Source: https://www.techspot.com/community/topics/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-review-8-core-battle-vs-10700k.266132/

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